Our preferred measure would be very quick turnaround on these confinement methods. We completely left one issue aside and we extended the time frame on the big issue because there is a lot of pig production in
Adams: When a group of veterinarians, if they would say this particular production practice, whatever it may be, stalls or confinement or whatever, if they say they think the animals are being humanely cared for in that type of system and you feel they are not, what makes your group more of an authority to say you are right, our (HSUS) changes that we are proposing have to be implemented and they are wrong in saying the system being used is a good one? What gives you that authority?
Pacelle: There is no authority; it’s just we live in a representative democracy. We do have direct democracy in some states provided by the state constitution to allow for public policy decisions-making. Science is a big part of it. Let’s be clear that all of the science doesn’t rest on one side. You can have scientists who work for industry -- it doesn’t have to be animal agriculture, it could be any industry -- if scientists who work for the tobacco industry for years said smoking doesn’t cause problems to one’s health you also had scientists on the other side. You can find a scientist on any side of almost any debate.
The question is where is the preponderance of the science? Where is the careful work of the scientists? Science really doesn’t give us ultimate answers. It gives us options and it’s an evaluative tool to look at these questions. There are all sorts of science on our side. A lot of the science in