Undercover video reportedly shows abuse at Idaho dairy

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An undercover video that purports to show animal cruelty at an Idaho dairy has surfaced.

And, three former workers at the dairy have been charged with animal cruelty. Twin Falls County prosecutor Grant Loebs said he filed misdemeanor animal cruelty charges against Jesus Garza, Joe Acensio and Javier Victor Rojas Loayza after an investigation that was prompted by the video, The Associated Press reported. Read “Idaho dairy workers charged with animal cruelty.”

The incidents apparently occurred at Bettencourt Dairies’ Dry Creek Dairy facility near Hansen, Idaho.

In a news release available on their web site, Bettencourt Dairies owners Luis and Sharon Bettencourt said that they were appalled by the images depicted in the video and have taken swift and decisive steps to address the situation, including firing five employees identified in the video. Read the release.

Luis Bettencourt elaborated on the dairy’s efforts to ensure that the actions and behavior shown are not repeated during an interview with The Associated Press.  

"And we also showed the video to all the rest of the employees in our dairies, all 500 employees, and they had to sign a deal that said they understand that there's zero tolerance for animal abuse in our dairies," he said. "We've been in business 30 years and we've never had this happen before. We're all devastated here."

Also read “Idaho dairy operator fires workers after video of animal abuse surfaces.”

A panel of farm animal care specialists, including Temple Grandin, Candace Croney, and Jim Reynolds, analyzed the video and concluded that the practices seen in the footage were “unacceptable and clearly abusive.” Click here to read their comments.

The animal-rights group, Mercy For Animals, publicly released footage from the video on Wednesday. The group is now urging Burger King and other companies to end its supplier relationship with Bettencourt Dairies. Read the Mercy For Animals news release.

In the wake of the video’s release, Wendy’s International, Inc. announced in a statement on Wednesday that it has instructed one of its suppliers to "disassociate with Bettencourt immediately," adding it maintains stringent animal-welfare standards with its suppliers. Read more from The Columbus (Ohio) Dispatch.

Industry groups have also responded to the group’s video. Jerry Kozak, President and CEO of the National Milk Producers Federation, said in a statement that the video “is deeply disturbing and depicts practices by individuals that are absolutely unacceptable. Idaho’s dairy farmers, and those across the rest of the country, do not countenance this type of treatment. The dairy industry takes claims about animal mistreatment very seriously.”   

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Janet Weeks V    
Sacramento, CA  |  October, 10, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Ultimately, this is the responsibility of the owner and management who failed to properly train and supervise those workers. They turned a blind eye. If, indeed, Luis Bettencourt, the owner of the dairy "loves" his animals--the very same animals he trucks off to slaughter when their milk production falters due to gross overuse--and "animal care is a number one issue in [his] facilities," this NEVER would have happened. Surely, Bettencourt knows the dairy industry (and ALL factory farms) are ON WATCH by compassionate animal advocates everywhere. With investigation after investigation across the country turning up case after case of egregious animal cruelty in the dairy industry and other animal factories, he should have know his cows were at great risk. Animal cruelty is endemic to the dairy industry and agribusiness as a whole. Bettencourt FAILED to protect those cows. Bettencourt FAILED to train and supervise his workers. He and his managers should take the blame and accept responsibility instead of claiming not to have known. Shame on them! You can bet this will be shared widely on Facebook and Twitter and I'll do my part to make that happen. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=422694244446808

ohio  |  October, 11, 2012 at 07:09 AM

An owner cannot spot every detail in just a blind of an eye. A dairy farmer is a very busy man. The best thing is that the abuser was caught and stopped. You should not critiize if you have never ran a dairy farm or even worked on one! Cows are livestock, not pets! of course they are going to be sent to a slaughter house if the animal is no use. Thats what they are raised for.

Mary Finelli    
Maryland  |  October, 11, 2012 at 08:49 AM

Therein lies the real problem, Luke. As long as our fellow living, sentient beings are seen as disposable commodities they will be treated as such and suffer needlessly. Just as enslaving humans was (and is) wrong, the same holds for enslaving other animals. Humans, after all, are animals, too.

Melanie Fritsche    
New Ulm, Minnesota  |  October, 11, 2012 at 09:12 AM

My comment is directed to ALL those who support Animal Rights Groups. You should not criticize an entire livestock industry based on the actions of a few employees. The Bettencourts took swift action when it was brought to their attention by imediately firing those identified as being involved. This is the kind of action that any place of business (even your main street businesses) takes when a condition of employement is broken. It has been pointed out that the Bettncourts have a policy of ZERO tolerance and that all employees sign off on this. Along with the cooperation of the dairies and owners with the Idaho officials, we can not ask any better of any employer (farmer or main street, corporate or governement) when violations of employment policies have occured. No we as livestock farmers and a nation, should never condone abuse of any kind but I feel the Bettencourts should be commended for the swift actions of identifying and terminating and following through with the rest of the employees by re-stressing the zero tolerence policy for abuse and looking to improve the dairy work forces training and procedures. As far as your wish to not eat meat, that is your freedom to choose BUT do not make wide sweeping claims about an entire industry or a single dairyman based on a few individual employees acations and do not harass companies who do business in the food chain with out giving the system a chance to address this particular situation.

October, 11, 2012 at 09:21 AM

Humans may be animals but animals are most definitely NOT humans. I cannot believe that people liken human slavery to animal agriculture. That is repulsive and extremely offensive to any person whose ancestors were slaves or indentured servants. Did you read the article where it states that the Bettencourts have over 500 employees? Do you think a non-ag corporation with over 500 employees has time to check on them all on a daily basis? If not, then what makes you think a farmer with 500 employees and thousands of cows can monitor every single person while completing other managerial duties like payroll, milk product pricing, etc. If you've never lived the life of a farmer, don't criticize or assume how easy you think it is to do. Was the abuse wrong? Yes. Did the Bettencourts handle it appropriately? Yes. They fired the employees, took steps to remedy and set guidelines for the rest of their employees to tell them that this won't be tolerated. And I'd be willing to bet that they hire better trained managers to monitor hourly employees. Also, let's not forget that the offenders were criminally charged.

tae feeney    
October, 11, 2012 at 09:27 AM

We may not see everything, but when animals (especially dairy animals who are with US at least twice daily) shy away from a particular person, abuse is usually the reason. Scared animals don't give much milk, BTW. That, by itself, makes this that very "busy man's" business. If we don't police ourselves, it's clear others will. Tolerating animal abuse is an expensive, stupid mistake, for a farm or for an industry.

Teres Lambert    
Illinois  |  October, 11, 2012 at 09:31 AM

I wonder if workers are ever goaded or encouraged to mistreat animals by the Mercy for Animals person who wiggled himself/herself onto the dairy as an employee. Why does this person just happen to be where the abuse occurs? That said, zero tolerance for animal abuse is the answer and I applaud this dairy for taking swift and effective action.

OH  |  October, 11, 2012 at 09:46 AM

To Janet and people like her. There are children being beaten and abused and murdered everyday in this country. There are adults being raped. There are seniors being ripped off. There are laws against this yet it still happens. Same thing for dairy farms. Abuse will happen. But as long as the owner acts when he finds out about the problems there shouldn't be any attacks on the industry as a whole. Janet's statement, "Animal cruelty is endemic to the dairy industry and agribusiness as a whole." could just as well be applied to the human race and how it treats other humans. I wish people like Janet would work just as hard to protect the abused children, raped women and abused and ripped off seniors of this world as they do to protect the animals. I'm sure somebody in Sacramento has been abused, raped and beaten. Should we attack Janet for allowing that to happen in her city?

Joe Dairyman    
USA  |  October, 11, 2012 at 10:28 AM

This video is sad to watch. The person making the video is a vegetarian trying to make the industry look bad. He has done a good job of that. It's like all the other videos out there they are staging the footage and allow it to happen for the sole purpose of eliminating and damaging our food supply system. It's not in the Dairymans best interest to operate like this. In the real world 1300 lbs cows do go down on big dairies and little dairies. I don't think pulling a cow out by the neck is the way any dairyman would move a cow. Why would someone film a cow going up on the stalls with their head stuck? The person with the camera knew this was going to happen before he filmed it. When those 40 cows go out they all go out at once. The camra person would be in the line of the cow traffic. The person filming this is the person that has no respect for animals. Not the dairyman.

Seattle, WA  |  October, 11, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Cameras are necessary, sadists have known where the haven is for a long time, sadists are coming to your operation and they are going to apply for a job looking after your biological profit machines. People are going to see not just the sadists but those slippery concrete floors put there by the people at the top of the pyramid who say they care.

Seattle, WA  |  October, 11, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Cameras are necessary, sadists have known where the haven is for a long time, sadists are coming to your operation and they are going to apply for a job looking after your biological profit machines. People are going to see not just the sadists but those slippery concrete floors put there by the people at the top of the pyramid who say they care.

OH  |  October, 11, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Owner has the ultimate responsability. You can tell how employees are treating your livestock by watching how the animals respond to each person (specialy in a dary, or small beef operation) Also, cameras are good help to see what is happening in the barn. I have one, and can see what is going on with my cows.

Mr. Ed    
NE  |  October, 11, 2012 at 02:54 PM

I agree with Ron lets stick it to Janet Weeks V when someone in Sacremento, CA abuses a child, or committs a crime. It will be her fault for not preventing it from happening. After all it is happening in her community and she shouldnt turn a blind eye. These animals are our livelihood and we do care for them. We dont want you or are employees abusing them. Lets get a facebook or twitter page set up to remind Janet Weeks the injustices that happen to human beings. How can you place animals above humans and call yourself a good person? We should follow a person such as Janet around and video her actions for a month, then we can take the pictures we want and narrate them to make her look like a bad person. Then again maybe we wouldnt have to add narration.

Wilbur the Pig    
USA  |  October, 11, 2012 at 03:17 PM

Animals are not sentient beings. They do not have human-like ability to feel pain and suffer the same as humans. Such unprovable ideas were discredited some 360 years ago, back when other kooky ideas, such as the earth being flat and the center of the universe, were common. Cruelty laws seem to be unconstitutionally overbroad. We spray our homes to chemically poison living breathing hairy insect and arachnid animals and that is not cruelty but crude attempts to move a stubborn cow or make it stand up are. One animal is not significantly different than another but the law treats them as such. Moveover, cruelty laws used to require the intent to torture the animal. Now, activists want us to think that confiing them and milking them is cruelty when there is no intent to be cruel. No one should be liable for the acts of infiltrators or the criminal acts of a third party. If they are, then let's go after the people who released all the wolves amongst our children. There is no known base line for wolves in the US because no one was here to count them, if they were here at all.

Richard Bradley    
wisconsin  |  October, 11, 2012 at 03:26 PM

Stuff like this is reason factory farms are bad for everything including the environment. Smaller farms are easier to watch animals that could be downers and take steps to prevent it.

Wilbur the Pig    
USA  |  October, 11, 2012 at 03:34 PM

That was a pretty rough video. Is that real skinny guy a vegan? The quality of that video is better than any hidden video I've seen. Was the floor made wet and the cows treated that way for the benefit of the videographer? How many years ago was that video taken? How do we know where that was? How do we know they sell milk to Burger King? What is the connection to Burger King? I did not see it in the video. How do we know the statements of Grandin and the others were in direct relation to what we are seeing in the video production? This does appear to be a professionally filmed and edited production. Does the title Burger King Cruelty refer to the cows being dragged off to slaughter for burgers, because that is not what happens to downers? The deception in this video seems to start with the title. How are to supposed to believe the rest is true if the lying starts right off?

Janet Weeks V    
Sacramento, CA  |  October, 11, 2012 at 06:03 PM

Evidently, my earlier comment hit a nerve with a few dairy folk. Some have even suggested I should be held accountable for all the rapes, murders, and other criminal acts that occur in my community in the same way Bettencourt should be held accountable to the 60,000 cows at his animal factory. Here's the difference: I have not taken it upon myself to be "in charge of" or "to own" the citizens living in my town, nor do I profit off their labor or body parts. Bettencourt assumed responsibility for 60,000 sentient creatures and he makes money off their backs. Others have suggested that factory dairy farming is like any other big manufacturing business that employs hundreds of workers. An owner simply can't keep an eye on every single worker or control the quality of care received by every single production unit. Here's the problem with that analogy: The difference between manufacturing widgets and manufacturing animals is sentience or the animals' ability to suffer. Widgets can't suffer; animals do. Therefore, it is the moral obligation of the businessperson who manufactures animal body parts and animal secretions to protect those animals whose sentient bodies he exploits. If a factory farmer assumes responsibility for 60,000 cows, then he damned well better have foolproof systems in place to ensure the protection of every last one of those sensitive beings. If he can't, then he has no business taking responsibility for that number of animals. The problem with modern "farms" is scale. Animal factories are unmanageably large. Gone are the days of true animal "husbandry." In its place are poorly paid, improperly trained transient workers, cost-cutting at every corner, and profit before consideration of anyone's well being.

juan sanabria    
October, 11, 2012 at 06:13 PM

is a disgrace that such actions occur. we need to radically refuse all forms of abuse against animals

Bea Elliott    
Florida  |  October, 11, 2012 at 09:59 PM

My comment is directed to all people who support using animals as commodities. To cite this beating as abuse is commendable! But to think that somehow sending a bolt through the brain of a healthy cow, to electrocute a pig, or to slit the throats of billions of birds while their still conscience is some how "humane" is a tragic oversight. And to some here who have claimed we shouldn't care about these things because humans are being harmed too don't understand the principles behind kindness at all. Just because someone cares about nonhumans doesn't mean they can't (or don't) have empathy for humans as well. Indeed studies document that when people DO care for other animals - They are much more likely to have compassion for their own species as well. So enough of this nonsense of throwing innocent, sentient beings under the bus - Or rather onto the kill floor with no remorse for that practice that makes for cheap milk and meat! It's unnecessary! And that FACT makes it far from "humane"! Who's the cruel one - really?

Bea Elliott    
Florida  |  October, 12, 2012 at 07:53 AM

You know Janet Week V you're right that animals in "production" are treated like widgets. Didn't some fat-cat who represented the pig industry even say "Forget they're pigs. Treat them like machines."? I've seen plenty of "dairy-drug" adds even infer that the cow's system was like an engine... Yet, these folks want to be viewed as "care-givers" even while they operate hands-free "robotic" milk machines... Hum... And like the warehouses full of pigs or chickens that die because the ventilation system fails. Or because there's no sprinklers in case of fires: How can these "farmers" be held to blame? They'll say that the system broke down... How could it be their fault? Everything soooo "scientific". And I suppose if we were talking about manufacturing shoes or umbrellas - It really wouldn't matter much. Automation could serve man well. But when you mix in sentient beings who feel; Who suffer... Well, the whole thing becomes diabolical. My suggestion is on every scale of the animal profiteering racket - From Mom 'n Pop's friendly slaughter barns to the fully automated kill lines - Is to stop. Just stop treating other beings as resources. Stop stealing their lives! It's NOT necessary except for greed and gluttony! 'I hold that the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man.' ~Gandhi You can't protect 60,000 of them in any "personal" or meaningful way. And you certainly can't "protect" creatures while killing them. Fess up that no individual being matters at all when viewed as a commodity. Just stop with the malarkey already!

Melanie Fritsche    
NEw Ulm, MN  |  October, 12, 2012 at 08:19 AM

Once again "Janet and Bea" you are speaking in broad strokes to paint an entire industry as sinful due to a single (now criminal charged) case. Do not take your information about dairy farming only from this video and the animal rights organizations that I feel are feeding you incomplete information. Large or small, ALL livestock operations that have any sense of ethics and morals care deeply about providing a humane and safe environment for their livestock and the people who work with them. My family has devoted itself for 4 generations to dairy farming. We couldn't have accomplished this with out each generation being taught by the previous to care and love animals and what we do for a living. My family loves being part of a farming industry that with our crops and cows feeds you and the rest of the world! The good Lord has entrusted us with his creatures and land and we strive to give both the best care we can. We utilize supporters like our Veterinariary Clinic, nutritionists, aronomist and others to assist us to do it in the best manner possible. Try living in "our shoes" and see the other side of farming that you evidently have never seen.

Janet Weeks V    
Sacramento, CA  |  October, 12, 2012 at 09:38 AM

Two other excellent sources of information everyone should read are Slaughterhouse:The Shocking Story of Greed, Neglect, and Inhumane Treatment Inside the U.S. Meat Industry by Gail Eisnitz and Every Twelve Seconds: Industrialized Slaughter and the Politics of Sight by Timothy Pachirat. Animal cruelty only BEGINS on factory farms. It extends through the trucking of the wretched animals to slaughter and, ultimately, to the brutal and untimely snuffing of their lives and disassembling of their bodies. I'm glad the animal rights organizations are going after the BIG CUSTOMERS of dairy and other animal products, the Wendys, Burger Kings, McDonalds, Walmarts, Kraft Foods, and other BIG PURCHASERS. They are the ones who represent and MUST ANSWER TO CONSUMERS demanding better treatment of their so- called "food animals." Hitting agribusiness in the pocketbook seems to be the only way they'll learn to take the issue of animal welfare seriously.

October, 12, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Food prices would sky rocket if we reverted back to Old MacDonald's farm production era - increased inputs and a smaller supply would drive even more people to starvation. There are already 1 billion folks in this world that are hungry every night - let's revert back to the pre-technology days and starve even more of them. Genius.

October, 12, 2012 at 11:00 AM

I have serious doubts that either Bea or Janet have ever been to a farm that held more than 10 animals. Ever. And the 'sources' you provide are likely books written by animal rights activists who sit in their high rise apartments and, like Bea and Janet, have never set foot on a farm to see for themselves what happens but are most content to resort to lazy journalism and hearsay to write their books and spread misinformation and malcontent among urban America.

Janet Weeks V    
Sacramento, CA  |  October, 12, 2012 at 11:14 AM

"Oh nothing to see here... just another billionaire genius at the top of his game advocating for veganism." http://intellectualyst.com/bill-gates-the-future-of-meat-is-vegan-123/ … "Examining our issue-ridden food system from a business-oriented perspective, it’s interesting that Gates comes to the same conclusion that many ethically-minded vegans and vegetarians come to: eating meat is harming everyone and everything, and a meat-free diet will help the world tremendously." -- Anjali Sareen

Bea Elliott    
Florida  |  October, 12, 2012 at 03:23 PM

Hello Melanie - I challenge you to discover what the dictionary defines as "humane": From Webster’s New World Dictionary Hu·mane / hyoomáyn / adj. 1. having what are considered the best qualities of human beings; kind, tender, merciful, sympathetic. Do you really want people to believe that the animals you send to have their throats slit are treated with "love"? Paleeze! No - Your cows don't feed me - And as far as feeding the rest of the world goes - With what "livestock" are fattened on - We could prevent about a billion people from starving every year.

Bea Elliott    
Florida  |  October, 12, 2012 at 03:55 PM

DD you are so very wrong in your assumptions - I spent my very young years on a farm (the "Old MacDonald's type). Since then I married a man born into the 3rd generation of farmers... I've been to 3 large dairies and 2 "cattle" operations. I've been inside a warehouse with 850,000 hens and my neighbor in my previous home kept pigs for personal "use". I surely have seen enough in person and via the internet to make my judgments about the current state of animal agriculture. I have good reason to stand by my negative opinions of it. You're also wrong about not having many living beings in my care... As it is I have pound "rejects" of cats and dogs and also share my home with a flock of 20 hens who are rescues from "egg production culls" and the result of "back-yard hobby-slaughterers". Most haven't laid an egg in years - But they are still quite healthy and are enjoying life just being chickens - For their own sake. I assure you - I live as far from a "high rise apartment" as I can possibly get... And I love it that way. I tend to my own garden - Do lots of back-breaking work and my hands stay in the soil as a matter of daily ritual. But it doesn't take any of that to understand that life is precious. That sentient beings enjoy their time in the sun and grass... It doesn't take any special "experience" to know that all creatures wish to remain unharmed. And because I KNOW proof-positive that using or killing anyone isn't necessary for a healthy life-Leaving others to live undamaged is good enough for me. Your excuses and misinformation however pale in comparison. You have absolutely no justification for bringing death to innocent life except those rooted in greed and gluttony.You can't get more malicious than that.

new york  |  October, 12, 2012 at 05:14 PM

bea and janet maybe you should be help accountable for all the rape, murder and accidental deaths associated with migrant workers picking your cheap vegies. How many people from south of the boarder never make it here, instead are maimed or killed just for trying to get you your fix.

Janet Weeks V    
Sacramento, CA  |  October, 12, 2012 at 05:24 PM

Melanie: You may wish compassionate people take information about dairy farming ONLY from undercover videos and animal rights organizations. Unfortunately for you and your agribusiness brethren, the information is vast that exposes the diabolical truth about factory farming and slaughterhouses as much as agribusiness fiendishly tries to keep it hidden from public scrutiny. Books abound on this topic and, it seems, there's another story of horrific animal abuse in the news every day. It is agribusiness that sets the standard of what is or is not acceptable or "common industry standard" for the treatment of animals. When you have the American Veterinary Medical Association recommending slamming piglets' heads to the ground to "euthanize" them or slicing out the testicles of unanesthetized baby animals, for example, you begin to understand the insidious nature of animal abuse on factory farms--animal abuse that trickles down into all of society. You cannot have a nonviolent society when our very food industry condones violence against sentient beings by the billions on a daily basis. Believe you me, I've read enough about this sordid business to make anyone's stomach churn. The book currently on my reading table is The CAFO Reader, described on Amazon as "possibly the most powerful indictment of factory farming ever compiled, with essays from 30 of the world's leading experts." The CAFO Reader offers "a vision for a food system that leaves behind the horrific 20th century model of Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations." PETA's video, Meet Your Meat and Shaun Monson's film, Earthlings, are the tip of the iceberg detailing the horrors behind "modern" animal factories and other animal-(ab)use industries.

Brooklyn, NY  |  October, 13, 2012 at 12:14 AM

Many, many reports have shown that factory farming is one of the major contributors to global hunger, among other global problems. To put it simply, for every 8 pounds of grain you feed a cow you only get 1 pound of flesh in return. You could feed 8 times as many hungry people if you fed them plant based foods. 40% of the world's grain goes to feeding animals meant for human consumption. Imagine if you fed that grain directly to the hungry? On the amount of land used to raise livestock- you could actually feed the world. According to the Smithsonian Institute, "the equivalent of seven football fields of land is bulldozed every minute to create more room for farmed animals." And by the by- you are NOT feeding the hungry people. How many gallons of that milk have you shipped off to Ethiopia? You are supplying an obese country more cheeseburgers and milkshakes. Don't kid yourself. We are not supposed to consume as much animal byproducts as we do. Our portion sizes have increased over the decades. "Annual per capita meat consumption in developing countries doubled, from 31 pounds in 1980 to 62 pounds in 2002."- according to the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations. Emphasis on "developing countries." Again, you aren't feeding the starving. Our obesity rates are a direct consequence of this overproduction. Moreover, milk should cost more. If you look at inflation, milk prices have barely moved. Factory farms have made this possible by cramming cows together, denying them expensive veterinary care, and pumping them full of hormones, forcing them to produce 60- 120 pints a day- more milk than their bodies can handle- and ending their lives at 4 years old when their natural life expectancy is 20. Genius.

MA  |  October, 13, 2012 at 05:31 AM

Maddie, the inefficiency of feeding grain to Livestock is an age old criticism of vegetarian mythology. That why the EPA has been trying to limit such opportunities to create high quality animal protein by mandating renewable fuels. That 40% figure you used is the amount of the US corn crop that you are putting in your gas tank in the form of ethanol. That should make you happy....

Janet Weeks V    
Sacramento, CA  |  October, 13, 2012 at 02:29 PM

Well said, Maddie! Or, to quote a dear friend, "You wouldn't devote 20x the land and water to feed cows versus plants on a space station would you? Think of our precious Earth as a large space station." Oh, and I do like your exposing agribusiness' "feeding the world" myth. It's more about feeding greedy pockets than it is about feeding Earth's poor and impoverished. Not only have our portion sizes increased dramatically over the years, it is also true that our clothing sizes have increased, alarmingly! What manufacturers once labeled a size 12, they are now labeling a size 8. We only THINK we're the same size as we were fifty years ago. How deceived we are! We are a nation of overweight fatties, largely because our consumption of cheaply made animal products. When I became vegan four years ago, I lost 20 pounds I needed to lose. I look and feel healthier than ever before. Not only that, but my conscience is clear knowing no one had to suffer and die for me and my carbon footprint on Earth is much, much smaller.

new york  |  October, 13, 2012 at 05:39 PM

bea, janet and maddie are any of you pro choice?

Janet Weeks V    
Sacramento, CA  |  October, 13, 2012 at 06:36 PM

By your question, Steve, I assume you consider yourself "pro life." Which begs the question: Do you eat animals or animal secretions? If so, then you CANNOT claim to be pro life in any consistent or moral fashion. To eat animals is to be pro death.

new york  |  October, 13, 2012 at 07:20 PM

I suspected that's the answer I would get.

Janet Weeks V    
Sacramento, CA  |  October, 13, 2012 at 07:43 PM

Oh, you did, did you? Then, why did you ask the question? Silly Steve, was it to try and catch us in some sort of moral dilemma or inconsistency? You set yourself up. You stepped in your own, er, let us say, "trap." You see, animal activists get asked the question a lot, especially female activists, even though it has nothing to do with the issue of animal cruelty. It's a bait-and-switch attack that, unfortunately, in your case, backfired beautifully in our favor. You have no answer, do you, Steve? We are activists for life--pro billions of lives--theirs!

new york  |  October, 13, 2012 at 08:19 PM

So are you going to turn your efforts against abortion clinics? I await to see if either peta or hsus dose this.

Janet Weeks V    
Sacramento, CA  |  October, 13, 2012 at 09:01 PM

So, are you going to turn your efforts against killing and eating animals? I await to see if the National Pork Producers Council ever bows to public pressure and turns their efforts to opposing cruel gestation crates for pregnant pigs or the National Milk Producers Federation steps up its phase-out from 10 years to immediately of the inhumane and unnecessary amputation of dairy cows’ tails.

new york  |  October, 13, 2012 at 09:15 PM

Uh no. I am not the one telling other people how to live their lives.

NE Michigan  |  October, 15, 2012 at 03:04 PM

It is irresponsible to paint ALL livestock producers with a single brush, just as it is unreasonable to assert that all boyfriends of single mothers are child abusers, or all pit bulls are vicious, or all Republicans are lacking in compassion. As more automation enters the business of farming, there is less direct supervision of animal handling--and whether you like it or not, there has to be some level of BUSINESS to the activity, else the farmers themselves will not earn their livelyhood. The farming community as a whole MUST do a better job of self-policing, instead of lamenting incidents of neglect or abuse when it's discovered, but turning a blind eye to it when it occurs on their neighbor's farm, or their cousin's, or uncle's... Legislation will NEVER put a stop to the problem--only education of the public and the workers, and a refusal to defend their fellow livestock producers when abuse or neglect is observed, along with a pro-active approach when such lapses are suspected in their community, can eliminate the bad actors while maintaining public support for the farmers who are doing right by their animals. The majority of livestock producers fall into the latter category, not the former.

MN  |  November, 06, 2012 at 04:29 PM

It's sad that you sit here and judge farmers as a whole when there are millions of farmers that are amazing people and actually care about their animals. Maybe try going out and visiting farms instead of reading articles.

January, 17, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Thank you Maddie. Truth be told. .

January, 17, 2013 at 10:29 PM

You all are barking up the wrong tree. To change the way food is produced you have to convince the people that they don't want MickyD's, Wally World prices, or the like. That cheap food is actually cheap because it is bad for them due to the chemical, biological, ethical processes that went into creating it. As long as we are a soda consuming, processed cheese eating, hot dog snarfing society things won't change. People dont care. They just want their cheap high fructose corn syrupy processed crap. Work that angle for a while & help save us some public medical bills too. Thanks!!

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